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jenna: an investigation is underway today after an explosion during a training exercise kills at least seven u.s. marines. the caveat there, at least. we're still watching as people recover in the hospital. hi, everybody, i'm jenna lee. jon: i'm jon scott. investigators are to figure out what caused a mortar shell to go off as it was being loaded. the tragic accident happening at a base in hawthorne, nevada monday night sending shrapnel into troops that were there from camp lejeune, north carolina. officials say the pentagon is halting the use of the weapons until investigators can determine they can be used safely. national security correspondent jennifer griffin live at the pentagon for us now. anything more we know, general about how the marines were killed? >> reporter: what we know that the 60-millimeter mortar exploded inside the tube. they're looking was it a fuse issue? was it a lot issue? was there an issue of double loading? officially the marines have not released

the names pending notification of next of kin of those who were killed but the grandfather of marines corporal josh taylor, confirmed this 21-year-old ohio native was the one of the ones killed. he joined the marines after graduating high school in 2010. he wanted to be a marine since age 5 after watching "the history channel". he served a tour in afghanistan. he was slated to go back to afghanistan. he was to be married in may. in hawthorne, hundreds of residents who call hit elf america's patriotic home attended a memorial organized by the veterans of foreign wars. signs in front of shops said pray for the marines. the pain was palable. >> this disaster was very well-organized and very well-thought out and patients got exceptionally, exceptionally high quality of care. in general there were blunt force type of injuries.

they were very similar we experienced in the air race disaster we had recently of varying severity i would say. and, not something we see a great deal of the time in our practice. >> reporter: one of the marines died waiting for a medevac to reno. 140 miles away. another marine died once he got to the hospital in reno. jon? jon: so for now at least the pentagon has banned anymore practice use of these 60-millimeter mortars? >> reporter: they have banned the use of these 60-millimeter mortars until an investigation is complete. that could take weeks t could take months the question is, what impact will that have out in afghanistan? it is not clear whether these mortars are being used on a daily basis but it could have an impact on troops out in afghanistan while they investigate this tragic accident. jon: well again, as i mentioned yesterday, even training events can be very

dangerous and this is a perfect illustration. our hats off to our marines and really our troops everywhere. jennifer griffin thank you. jenna: some breaking news on the gun control debate. senate majority leader harry reid announcing the assault weapons ban authored by california senator dianne feinstein will not be included in the democratic gun control legislation that currently is working its way through the chamber. instead reid says feinstein's proposal will have, quote, an opportunity for a vote, possibly as a separate amendment. now this effort was sparked by the newtown school shooting in december and since then, we have seen a surge in applications for gun permits across this country. according to the fbi we saw a record 19 1/2 million background checks for firearms last year. nearly three million of them coming in december alone. that is the most for any month on record. and more than 7 million from december through february. that is a 54% increase from the previous year.

this national trend is echoed in the microcosm of newtown, connecticut. where law enforcement say they have seen the pace of applications for gun permits double. so what does this all mean for the gun control debate, an effort going forward? joining me fox news political analyst juan williams. juan, we can talk about the strategy here and move onto the legislation itself. why, why did harry reid make the decision? >> didn't have the votes, jenna lee. it is very clear he does not feel if this can get through and it further could endanger efforts that he is making on the gun control front and central among them would be making sure that you punish people who are straw purchasers of illegal, of weapons in order to hand them over to others who don't have the right to buy guns, couldn't get through a background check. similarly he wants to look at school safety measures. he wants to close background, make sure background checks

are complete, that they cover everybody. that there's no gun show loophole any longer. these are steps that he thinks he can get a consensus on, that he can hold together the entire democratic caucus in the senate and maybe even attract some republican votes. jenna: how important do you think this is strategically for the fourth fourth elections? >> well it is critical. you stop and think about this. of course let's focus here on the senate, not the house. what you have is, you have i think it is 10 democratic senators who are unaring in states that were won by mitt romney. so you have them very cautious about upsetting gun owners and upsetting powerful forces, forces with dollars to spend on campaigns like the nra. gun hobbyists who of course vote and turn out in big numbers behind this issue. this is an issue that will bring out voters to the polls. this is why you had not seen any motion on gun control

before newtown. the president despite the concern of people who are gun enthusiasts had not taken any action. feinstein, senator feinstein had not taken any action even though the assault weapons ban had expired just about 10 years earlier. so you see the change. jenna: let's a little bit about that because dianne feinstein says she is disappointed in this. she said if you think congress would listen and clearly listened to the nra. a lot of fingers point to the nra as the reason behind the fact this part of the legislation was dropped. however we had this author on our program, juan, and can you bring up juan, i like to see him when i'm talking to him as well. thank you, i'm sorry. we have fancy graphics just talking to you, juan. thanks for that. >> okay. jenna: dan bond, this writer, did this big story about traveling across the country and taking a look at gun owners and he points out there's 100 million gun owners in this country and that the nra only has four million members. and when you look at the stat that we presented into

this segment, seems a lot of people were motivated to go out and apply for guns because of this legislation, because of a question about the legislation. so is it really the nra has the power in this debate or is it the people themselves, nra members or not? >> oh, i would say it is the nra and here's why i would say that. i mean if you talk to people who are gun owners, and by that, generally i meant poll them, ask them for example about things like closing gun show loopholes, extensive background checks, ending straw purchasers, their support is very high. you get support in the 70 percentile area. if you talk to the nra that is not the case. they don't want that. they see that as the camel's nose under the tent taking away second amendment rights. they put money behind it. they put power and arguments behind it. advertisements on tv. that is means something if you're a politician seeking

re-election. that is why this issue has been stalled. and again, if you look at polls of the american people in general, after newtown, you saw people saying we think some things should be done. not that there was overwhelming support, for example, for an assault weapons ban but they think that the fact that we have had this spate of mass curse around the country, indicates there needs to be something done, whether it is about mental health, the background checks, something, some steps need to be taken to limit easy access to firearms. jenna: juan, great to have the perspective on this, we'll talk again soon, about the other legislation out there. immigration, you have the budget. a lot going on. >> oh, my gosh. jenna: that's right. oh, my gosh, we'll end there. that is good way it sum it up. juan, thank you. >> you're welcome. jon: breaking developments on the president's landmark trip to israel, his first visit as commander in chief to our most important ally in the middle east. right now we are awaiting a joint statement from the president as well as israeli president shimon peres.

the two leaders just wrapping up their meeting and here they come, right on time, stepping up to the podium where they will make a joint statement. we're keeping an eye on this. let's listen to the two presidents as they speak. >> president obama, it is a great privilege for me and for the people of israel to host you here in jerusalem. it was a real pleasure to sit with a true friend, very knowledgeable and see we can agree and discuss issues openly and freely. after the meeting we just had i have more confidence that your vision can be transform the middle east. your vision is achievable.

you arrive here already with an impressive record of answering our needs particularly an unforgetably in the domain of security. i want to thank you personally, dear friend, for the long days and for many long sleepless nights which you spend caring for our country and for our future. we live in an age that is both global and domestic inseparately. interest may divide people. vision may unite them. there is a common vision uniting us to confront the dangers, to bring peace closer as soon as possible. the greatest danger is, is a nuclear iran so you so

you do. we trust your policy which calls to first by non-military to, by non-military means with a clear statement that both other options remain on the table. you have made it clear that your intention is not to contain but to prevent. we're trying to together to start a negotiations with the pal stains -- palestinians. we agree that the goal is the two state for the two people solution. there is no better one, more achievable one. we consider that the president of the palestinian authority, abu mazen, is our partner in that effort to stop terror and bring peace. hamas remains a terror organization that targets

innocent people. on our northern border iran's proxy, hezbollah, continues to stockpile arms and threaten our civilians while they urgently, while they target innocent people across the world. hezbollah is destroying lebanon and supporting the brutal massacre of the syrian people by president assad. fortunately the syrian nuclear capacity was destroyed but unfortunately thousands of chemical weapons remain. we can not allow those weapons to fall in the terrorists hands. itco lead to an epic tragedy. there's an attempt to bring spring to the arab world.

it is an arab choice. it is an arab initiative. it may bring peace to the region, freedom to the people, economic progress to arab states. if realized it can lead to a better tomorrow. we pray it will become a reality. the vision between skeptics and those who believe in peace. your voice will encourage belief. you came -- you came to us with the clear message that no one should let skepticism win the day. a vision that says clearly that peace is not only a wish but a possibility. i fully support your call. there is no other way to make the future better. there is no better leader to make it possible.

your visit is an historic step in that direction. we shall share the journey with you all the way. thank you. >> thank you so much. well, thank you, president peres, for your very generous words and your warm welcome. it is wonderful to be here once again. i first visited you when i was still a senator and had the opportunity to visit the lovely garden and for me to be able to bring a tree from the united states that will find a home in that garden i think is symbolic of not only friendship between our two nations but between the two of us personally. mr. president, you once remarked that a prime minister's job is to rule. a president's job is to charm. well, as with all our visits together i have once again succumb beed to your charms

and greatful to your hospitality. it is wonderful to be back in jerusalem, this eternal israel with a son of israel who devoted his life to keeping israel strong and sustaining the bonds between our two nations. president peres knows this is a work of generations. just as he joined the struggle for israeli independence in his early 20s he is always looking ahead, connecting with young people and i'm especially grateful for the time you allowed me to share with those extraordinary israeli boys and girls. their dreams are much the same as children everywhere. in another sense though their lives reflect the difficult realities that israelis face every single day. they want to be safe, they want to be free from rockets that hit their homes or hit their schools. they want a world where science and technology is created to build and not destroy. they want to live in peace,

free from terror and threats that are so often directed at the israeli people. that's the future that they deserve. that's the vision that is shared by both our nations. and that is shimon peres's life work. and mr. president, michelle and i have such fond memories of your visit to the white house last spring when i was honored to present you with america's highest civilian honor, our medal of freedom. and that medal was a tribute to your extraordinary life which you held virtually every position in the in the israeli government. today was an opportunity to benefit from the president's perspective on a whole range of topics. from the historic changes taking place across the region nuclear perils of iran and perils of peace between the israelis and the palestinians and the promise of our digital age and i should note one of the advantages of talking to president per rest is, not

only does he have astonishing vision but he is also a pretty practical-minded politician and consistently has good advice in terms of how we can approach many of these problems. i reaffirmed to president peres as i will throughout my visit that in this work the state of israel will have no greater friend than the united states and the work we do in our time will make it more likely that the children that we saw today alongside children from throughout the region have the opportunity for security and peace and prosperity. you know this obligation to future generations i think was well-symbolized by the tree planting that we started our meeting with. you know the talmud recounts the story of honig the miracle worker who saw a man planting a carrot tree. he asked the man how long before this tree yields

fruit? to which the man responded, 70 years. so he asked are you sure you will be alive in another 70 years to see it? and the man replied, when i came into the world i found carab trees. as my forefathers that planted for me so will i plant for my children. president peres i think understands that story well. we want to all thank you for all the seeds you have planted, the seeds of progress, the seeds of security, the seeds of peace that all the seeds that have helped not only israel grow but also the relationship between our two nations grow. and i believe if we tend to them, if we nuture them, they will yield fruit in every hill and valley of this land not only for the children we met today but for israelis, for palestinians, for arabs across the region. that's not only good for the children of this region but it's good for my children and the children of america. i deeply believe that.

and i couldn't ask for a more wise or more thoughtful partner in that process. i'm very grateful for your hospitality. and i look forward to our continued work in the future. >> thank you. >> thank you. >>. >> please remain seated while the president of the state of the israel and the president of the united states of america exit the room. thank you very much. jon: well, wouldn't you like to know what was said behind the scenes? the president of israel, shimon peres, and president obama said lots of nice things in front of the media and those who are assembled there but there are some

thorny issues between the two countries right now, and, may be those were he is expressed in private. it is difficult to know. joining us a man who has some indication of what goes on behind the scenes in meetings like this. ambassador john bolton is a former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. and a fox news contributor. general jack keane is also with us, a four-star retired general and former chief of staff of the u.s. army and a fox news military analyst. aaron david miller is a former advisor to six secretaries of state. he is also the author of, the much too promised land. aaron, let's start with you. this meeting has been written about, much-discussed in the united states. why now? why now for president obama to visit israel? >> oh, i think it is the intersection frankly of politics and policy. obama helped create his own israel problem and not that

the prime minister of israel didn't air ba his fair share of the responsibility but the fact these two, probably with the exception of david ben guron and dwight d. eisenhower had most dysfunctional relationship between any american president and israeli prime minister. the president made a political calculation and he was vulnerable and exposed on this he had to take care of old business. too many people thought he was somehow hostile and adversary of the state of the israel. that coincides with policy on two issues. this president doesn't want to be the american president that iran acquires nuclear capacity or a weapon and this president does not want to be the american president on whose watch the two-state solution expires. reality is, it is clear from the beginning you want to deal with these issues effectively, you have to find away to cooperate. intimately, with many parties but, at the top of the list is the state of

israel and the prime minister. so i think the president went early because there are no expectations. and he went early because he really does, i think, want to see if he can find a way to work with prime minister netanyahu this time around plus the israeli government. jon: ambassador bolton, we heard shimon peres say to the president, you have promised to prevent iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, not to contain them after they get them but you don't think, you have written in your peace in the "jerusalem post" today, you don't think that the president obama obama would use force against iran? >> i don't think there is any chance he is going to use force. i don't think people believe his comments about all options being on the table. i don't think they believe it in tehran. i don't think they believe it in israel either. so that's why this trip is unusual. it rare to have as much a divorce between the photo-opportunity symbolism some of which we've seen on

the one hand and actual policy discussions on the other. i think there will be some very tough, some very difficult conversations where president obama presses netanyahu very hard not to use preemptive military force against the iranian nuclear weapons program. on the palestinian front where president obama presses for more concessions. so that is. that's really what the visit is all about. the president comes on his own terms. he is never going to face the american voters again. he has no downside on this visit. he could pretty much say what he wants and you think he will. jenna: i would like, general keane, if you could respond to the question and get the thoughts of the rest of the panel as well. certainly there is lot of politics involved but at the end of the day, we're looking, one of the things we're looking at today, what is the best-case scenario for the american people to come out of this meeting and remind us if you could, general keane the strategic importance of israel? why is this meeting important and put quite

frankly, what's in it for us? >> well, frankly the region is very volatile to be sure with the rise of al qaeda, the changing governments to a muslim brotherhood in egypt which certainly is on the border and a peace treaty with israel and we obviously have the iranian proxy, the hamas, who fired weapons on israel just recently and the explosive situation in syria and the potential of the chemical weapons. quite frankly this region has become so much more dangerous since president obama became president and certainly he's there and all those issues will be on the table. i'm glad they're meeting, frankly. because i think he really needs to get this policy perspective and, the view of the israelis in view of what is around them and how volatile this region is and i hope they would be very frank with, with president obama as they american policy unstated, disengaging from this region. so my concern for the american people is the fact

that this region is becoming to much more dangerous, much more volatile and the radical islamists are trying to acquire nuclear weapons. i agree with ambassador bolton. i'm absolutely convinced in my contacts with people inside the administration he, we do have an unstated policy of containment. jenna: on iran? >> do not intend to use military weapons against iran, yes, quite frankly. jenna: aaron, i would like you to weigh in on this as well as someone that advised both republican and democratic administrations for the past three decades. general keane mentioned since the president took office this region has fallen into chaos. is that because of the policies of this administration or is this a trend developing in this region for decades? >> i have to say, i worked for democrats and republicans. i voted for democrats and republicans. frankly the dividing line for american policy and general keane and john bolton with whom i have worked closely know this as well, the dividing line for american policy in this

region shouldn't be between left and right, between liberal and conservative or between democrat and republican. should be between dumb on one hand and smart on the other and which side of the line does america want to be on? i mean, i think --. jenna: which side are we on now? >> i think your two guests frankly are preemptively prejudging. again i'm not here to write a brief for barack obama but i do believe that if sanctions do not work, and diplomacy fails because of the mullah ocracy in tehran demands too much, this president is prepared to use military force against iranian nuclear sites. i do not believe he will green light a israeli operation. i don't think that benjamin netanyahu wants to act. i think he wants to make iran in large part our responsibility because it is,

in our interests, to prevent iran from acquiring not just the weapons but the capacity to produce the weapon. so i think, for a war-time president who frankly has done more at least to extricate america from two wars it could not possibly win where the standard for victory was never, could we win but when could we leave i think it is unfair to prejudge him so early on. jon: ambassador bolton, take on some of those points. >> well, it is not prejudging him. look what he has done in his first four years. he is so desperate to avoid using military force that we have on the table right now, the latest in a long succession of diplomatic offers to iran which if the iranians simply milk a little bit more out of the europeans and the white house, i think there will be prepared to accept, that will in effect legitimatize the iranian nuclear weapons program. it will legitimatize their

uranium enrichment, contrary to six years of u.n. security council sanctions, we have a position that is weaker than the u.n. security council, feature that, and will allow the president to declare a diplomatic victory but which will simply leave iran in a position unchecked by us, unchecked by israel, to proceed to build an unlimited quantity of nuclear weapons, essentially on its own timetable. i think this diplomatic strategy is quite possibly the worst outcome of all but i think it's motivated in large part by the president's desire to avoid having to use military force and it just simply reinforces what i think is the now the most likely outcome. that iran gets nuclear weapons, followed by several other states in the region. saudi arabia, egypt, turkey. secretary of state hillary clinton herself said. jon: ambassador john bolton. aaron david miller, general jack keane, we have to say good-bye. thank you for your insight. just goes to show why this

is such a thorny area of the world. thank you all. >> appreciate it. jon: the, video you were seeing there in that very small country an illustration how tiny israel is. president obama has already arrived at the home the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, where with his left-handed signature there you see he is signing the guest book. there is prime minister netanyahu. jenna: trying to make out the words just to see what he is signing? jon: would be interesting to see what he is, good close-up by the camera crew but we don't know exactly what he is saying. at any rate the president on his first visit to israel as president. we will continue our coverage in just a moment.

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some important details about what is going on. >> that is right. he has been shuttered for more than a year. the syrian regime lost control over the border with turkey and iraq and the recent fighting in damascus has reached so close to the residents that must've been rattling his windows. still, the republican chairman of the house foreign affairs committee delivered a blistering critique of the obama administration's conduct. >> for two bloody years, u.s. policy has been addressed. they initially saw him as a reformer. once the revolt started, they backed u.n. diplomacy.

predictably, none of this is war. reporter: as if bashar al-assad is any closer to hang onto power, the ambassador said he is not a psychiatrist, but the receivers military situation is worsening. jon: the longer this goes on from the more damage goes on. >> they are seeing hezbollah soldiers and weapons systems coming from iran and using iraq as a transit point. the secretary of state was recently in saudi arabia by providing arms to the rebels directly while the u.s. has non-lethal it. ambassador defended the administration's approach. >> is secretary.

>> is secretary john kerry noted ,-com,-com ma therefore we are working with our partners to strengthen the opposition on the ground. reporter: russia continues to look at the concerns. jon: thank you. speak to the growing concerns of the nation of cyprus. the government elected to come up with a plan be after the parliament levied a tax of up to 10% on anyone who had any bank deposits. now the question is whether they going to do. this is important for us and of course, that can affect our

401k. but that dow average just hit a record high. greg is following the story from london. reporter: that's right, folks today are scrambling to come up with a new way from dragging all of your done with it. they voted down a plan that would see big bites taken out of private bank accounts. again, there has to be a way to get this country out of the way. one way to do it is lax banking regulations. moscow has a stake in all this. officials are reportedly looking for a big loan. back in, with strings like energy and getting rights for

the people. the banks are worrying that people. we are told that it could be closed until some kind of deal is done. atms are working. you can get about $1300 out of it and atm each and every everyday. but the hitch is that the atm's run out of money by about 7:30 a.m. so you have to get there early. again, the european union officials have to be a little bit reassured right now but there hasn't been banks in other countries. stock markets are generally positive territory. the feeling is that there might be a way out of this perhaps the

thinking is the possibility that russia could get a new foothold in europe. jenna: that's an interesting point and on. thank you. jon: ahead of the state department of corrections of colorado was shot and killed when answering his front door. we will get of that investigation coming up next. and 10 years after the beginning of shock and awe. we learned a decade later.

jon: 10 years since the start of the war in iraq. we are taking a look at what has changed since the u.s. went to iraq in 2003. let's talk to john bolton and a

fox news contributor. general jack keane, a retired four-star general and former chief of staff at the army. he is also a fox news military analyst. sir, you were at the pentagon, helping advise the general as he began the war in iran. i'm sorry, in iraq. let's not get ahead of ourselves. so, tell us. ten years later, in your view, what did we learn? >> going back to that initial time, i think first and foremost we do not proceed that saddam hussein had a choice and i would be to surrender his regime and come back and fight us using unconventional tactics. we never consider that as an option. we had a failed military

strategy for three years and we never understood that, despite the fact that we had a 10 year similar war in vietnam. we did just recently bolster the security forces. we certainly did not do that. jon: winning the battle militarily was relatively easy the easy part. we remember the tanks surrounding baghdad while the official spokesman says they are not anywhere close. >> we did anticipate that an insurgency would rise.

president bush had the courage to change that strategy in the face of a failure that we were facing. in less than two years, that success was turnaround turned around in the sense that it was 90% reduction in violence, which was very significant for achievement. at the end of the day, the major frustration we are dealing with it in 2009, the obama administration came in and changed the policy. they disengaged this and kept it at distance, and we found ourselves at the end of 2011. unlike what we have done in germany and japan and india where we kept things in place to help strengthen and secure government, and that did not take place. jon: president obama has often mentioned in speeches that was under his administration that

the war in iraq ended. >> i think that he was saying it was the correct decision. what happened after the overthrow, obviously it didn't turn out the way that we expected. i think in part, it is due to a poor military strategy. but it was also an incorrect political strategy on our part. i think that we should have tried to put authority into iraqi hands sooner. i am not saying i am being critical. it is the overall policy that never got settled correctly and it led in part to establish the conditions under which the insurgency took off. but i think it's important to

understand that those who are worse off after overthrowing at saddam hussein don't understand the continuing threat that he would have proposed to the assets in the region and his full intention to resume his weapons of mass destruction program and endanger the entire middle east. it is a region with a lot of problems. iran and syria. solving one problem does not solve mall. jon: the sanctions against iran were pretty much in pattern at the time that president bush took office. it is quite possible that had that were not been launched, he would still be in power pumping out oil and rebuilding are having rebuilt. >> the fact of the matter is that the policy changed

post-9/11 was absolutely the right answer. you could not let saddam hussein stay in power, given the fact that he was a predator on his neighbors and he was known to have weapons of mass destruction and clearly wanted to have a nuclear weapon as well. i absolutely am convinced that president bush made the right call. jon: ambassador bolton, how has the iraq experience affected the obama administration in their approach? >> i think it has had a dramatic effect that is entirely negative. they have convinced demonstration that they need to withdraw more quickly. it has made it unwilling to take the necessary hard decisions to deal with the iranian nuclear weapons program.

we have a very vulnerable position in the gulf region and they are in grave jeopardy. i'm worried that as time goes on from the situation will decline at an even more precipitous rate from our perspective is the one that is interesting on the 10th anniversary of the day of the war. the president finds himself in israel. ambassador bolton, general jack keane, great to have you here. jenna: a law to reflect on. ten years is a long time. the main story today is tom clements is shot and killed at his home. we'll have the details ahead im.

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jenna: a manhunt is underway after the head of the department of corrections there was shot and killed at his own home. rick folbaum has the latest on a family member that called 911 and said that tom clements answered a knock at his front door. he was shot in the chest and pronounced dead at the scene. investigators are searching the entire area. he worked in law enforcement for around 30 years. the last two years as head of the state department of corrections. something that could obviously have played a role in the motive here. >> we are aware that because he was the executive director, we are sensitive to the fact that serving in that position could make him a target. however, we are making sure that we remain open-minded to this

situation as well. jon: they are looking for a dark colored box car. the witnesses say they saw the car running. someone jumping in and running away. this latest leak comes as investigators are going door-to-door in the neighborhood. search dogs are also helping with what is major investigation in one of colorado's top law enforcement officials. jenna: thank you. b1 a fox news weather alert. today it looks an awful lot like winter in a lot of places. a hailstorm in texas, a foot of snow in new england. meteorologist maria molina is

live. maria: . that's right, we have updated snow totals were many of these places are 15 inches of snow or more. we are covering the storm. across sections of the rest of new england. other places picking up a foot of snow or more. 14 inches of snow and that snow is not over yet. we are talking about more snow across sections of maine. lake ontario and lake erie expecting anywhere between five to 8 inches of snow. in effect for northern parts of maine where we are still seeing the snow coming down right now beyond sending my daughter back-to-school in upstate new

york, i'm so glad i left the snow tires on the car. jenna: that was a good decision. a massive cyberattack crippling banks in south korea. a growing suspicion about who is to blame coming up next hey! did you know that honey nut cheerios

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jon: a brand-new hour of "happening now" happening now. ten years after the start of the iraq war. we will look at policy decisions and polls show that americans like the gop plan when it comes to the budget. the problems a republican branding right now and what the party can do about it. and nasa tracking asteroids flying through space. they have a word of advice should one of them come our way. is there anything that kevin should be done?

how much money should we spend on all that? all of that is starting right now on "happening now." jenna: a speak to a fox news alert. the search for a person or the people that are behind a massive computer hacking, paralyzing banks across south korea. hello, i am generally. jon: i am jon scott. it could be south korea's biggest cyberattack in two years. computer networks and talk tv broadcasters they are crashed simultaneously. screen went blank with schools popping up on the monitors of some computers. south korean officials have not yet determined who was responsible. but suspicion fell on north korea which renewed threats to go to war with the south, and molly is live in washington. have we heard anything from north korea since this shutdown? reporter: no claims of

responsibility from the state-run media. but kim jong-un's government has stayed quiet when south korea has come under cyberattack and blamed the north. south korea believes that they have a whole department dedicated to internet warfare, targeting the u.s. and south korea. in this case, three south korean tv broadcasters and two major banks have their computers go down at 2:00 o'clock yesterday afternoon. those systems stayed down for two to seven hours. for the bank customers, that meant no online banking, no teller machines, no use of debit or credit cards. some of the banks said afterwards that it did not appear that customer accounts were compromised. one south korean computer experts said all signs point north. they said it has to be a hacking attack. such shutdowns cannot be caused by technical glitches.

they went on to say that political attacks on south korea come from north korea. so why might the north do it now? welcome here are some of the reasons. north koreans are upset about new u.n. sanctions and they are doing military drills. and north korea claimed that its computer systems were hacked days ago. south korea denied this and the u.s. military did not comment. jon: this is going to be a topic on capitol hill today. is that right? >> that is right. the topic of cybersecurity is going to be a big topic for the house homeland security committee will hear from internet security experts who will talk about protecting against just this kind of attack. the hearing is scheduled to focus on cyberthreats from china and russia and iran. after what happened yesterday in south korea, it wouldn't be surprised if north korea made it into the discussion as well. jon: thank you so much.

jenna: 10 years ago, the united states invaded iraq with the shock and awe campaign. there were more than 170,000 u.s. troops there. not today, only 157 remained at the embassy along with a few marines for security. our role in the region is far from over. there are hotspots demanding our attention from egypt to iran to syria. so many questions loom about just how much the united states should get involved. questions about just how much those decisions are based on recent wars like the war in iraq. the president exhibiting our strongest middle east ally, trying to shore up strained relationships with the prime minister there. right now, the president's approval on handling foreign

policy is more or less the split 46% approve, 40% disapprove. he was in the country 11 times over the last decade. here is a sample. >> here is the main palace, the living quarters. it was struck in the first 36 hours of war. it is in this courtroom that he could face justice. he could be in this very chair on trial before the judicial system that he controlled and manipulated for 35 years. reporter: members of the iraqi government say they will likely keep the arc of victory as a reminder of just how brutal saddam hussein really was. jenna: we are so used to seeing him and not drill. >> a long time and a few pounds ago. jenna: what are your

reflections? >> my first time was with secretary rumsfeld in iraq. really from 9/11 onward. on the first trip, it was in a bus like a giant fishbowl. a glass bus going down the middle of baghdad. there was not an insurgency. we didn't have jackets on as we worked through baghdad. that dramatically changed over time, as you know. it really exploded to the point surge that was implemented under general betray petraeus. they started to see some improvement. iraqis started to take control. the interesting thing now is

that you have this series of bombings. you know, some 65 plus people killed. and the iraqis are a little shellshocked according to people on the ground. it has been relatively peaceful for a long time. jenna: a big question as to why these attacks are happening now. what are the expectations they are? is a big question that lingers. the president, we are done with the war in iraq, we have so much happening in the middle east. how do you think the experience has affected our policy and will in the future? >> i think the question is can these places stand up for themselves. when you just look at the iraqi foreign minister in what he said just recently, he said that we

need equipment, we need electronic surveillance, we need air force. we are not able to defend ourselves. this is after billions of dollars of u.s. equipment and american training. so the question is how does that work in afghanistan. and when do you leave them completely if they are not ready. number two is our posture in the region, whether we stand up for places like syria. nineteen months ago president obama said that president bashar al-assad's days are numbered. that is about 580 days ago. the president started saying that his days are numbered. the question is what will u.s. intervention be in places where we say we are going to go? >> do you see that being tied to

directly what happened in iraq or fen/phen? i was moderating this panel and one of the things that came up is that if anyone was involved in washington dc, no one wanted them on their team. but afghanistan was acceptable. i thought that was interesting as an observation. a lot of people have had interesting experiences and they are veterans as well. i'm just wondering how those people are integrated into the decisions that are going to affect the country going forward. and whether or not that's been done in the right way. >> that is a great question. a 30,000 foot look at how we, as a country, how we look at war and intervention. when is it necessary for the u.s. to get involved. i think that iraq and afghanistan will definitely play a part in those decisions for years to come. you are right, it is important to note that a lot of good things happened in iraq and a lot of people, despite the

feeling that they wanted to get america out of, they are now questioning whether the security situation is better or worse. afghanistan was the same way. it is a real debate about foreign power and how the u.s. should use it. jenna: at any given time in the last decade, active-duty active duty in the military. it is a big question that comes up. who has the right to be tired of the war. it's great to see this special report. we appreciate your time today. a special report tonight's. jon: getting a read on the true u.s. economy. the dow jones has been surging. a 57 points in the mid-14,000.

the national debt keeps soaring as well. washington seems unable to find a solution. the unemployment rate stubbornly high. chief correspondent jim angle takes a look. >> enormous amounts of money into the economy, they will be gasping for air. listen to this. >> it was crucial in the crisis and the fed is very powerful at stopping the fall. but it's not good at pushing one investors who don't really want employers who don't want to hire. it has been pretty unsuccessful. >> some know that some small signs of recovery in the housing market have occurred. even with the creation of 236,000 jobs in february, job growth has lagged and is still

dismal. >> is the worst business cycle that we have had since the end of world war ii in terms of job creation. we haven't even gotten back to where we were at the peak of the previous business cycle. reporter: the unemployment rate remains high. administration officials predict it would be about 5%. including all of those who took part-time jobs because that's all they could get. what is known as the real unemployment rate is 14.3% just above what it was when mr. obama took office. they point to uncertainties in washington and the effects of obamacare and the weight of tax increases. >> is negative for economic growth over time. we need to realize that this is a global economy and we compete with many other nations and part of that competition is, in fact,

taxes. reporter: consumers are cautiously spending more. economic growth remains low at 2.5%. not enough to light a fire under the job market. jon: is the first day of spring. maybe a new season will change things. thank you. >> you bet. jenna: do voters have a split personality? why they seem to refer to the ideas that one party is proposing. a revealing new poll that you ought to see. this forensic therapist and his grueling three days and the impact it could be having. the legal panel takes up the case coming up next. of back pai. and a choice. take up to 4 advil in a day or 2 aleve for all day relief.

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runs out of money next week if congress doesn't do something about it. majority leader harry reid threatens to keep lawmakers working over the weekend. imagine not? even into the easter passover break to get the job done. some very interesting new polling seems to suggest that there is something about split personality among american voters when it comes to who they trust on spending issues. when asked how our budget deficit should be reduced, a large majority, 65% of people said by cutting spending. when asked to choose between the budgets proposed by each party, most people pick the one more in line with the republican proposal. cutting spending and not raising taxes. but when asked when each party was trusted more, people say that they trust the democrats more. go figure. let's get an amp explanation from charlie hearst, economists at the washington times.

so you have this. people seem to like the republican approach. they just don't like the republican label with it. why is that? >> i think a large degree, republicans have been snakepit. largely because of what we have seen over the last couple of years. republicans talking to the media, which is something the democrats have focused on more than anything else. including the ideas that republicans have gone four. voters are far more in line with those ideas. but i would actually argue that republicans least realize that there is a problem here and there is a real disconnect between washington and the rest of america. they are actually struggling through, trying to figure out how to change the party from the

inside to make it more responsive. the one of the fighting that we have observed over the last four and eight years were republicans seem to be would destroy one another even more than democrats are destroying them. by seeing whether republicans are conservative or not things like that. they realize that this is a time for soul-searching. on the democratic side, you're not seeing now. it is a much more unified party. the democrats have not put forth a real proposal. harry reid hasn't agreed on this for the last four years. i think it is because they are sort of going with the status

quo and republicans are really fighting to sort of get really serious about these problems. jon: when you hear the president talking about the need for a balanced approach when it comes to the nation's deficit, people buy everything that he is saying without looking into the details >> i think the word balance is a great word. i think people think he is talking about a balanced budget. that is not what he is talking about. he admits that the proposals will not lead to a balanced budget in the foreseeable future. it means that they will raise taxes. so as you pointed out, people like the balanced approach.

it is this kind of common sense. jon: it depends on whose name is attached to it. charlie, thanks so much. >> you're welcome. jenna: smashed windows and injuring more than a thousand people in russia. an exploding meteor. a nasa official says the only thing we can do to keep it from happening again is pray. how is that, for policy? not a bad one. plus, a big update on the statue of liberty. how long until you can plan trips to new york city's landmark. jon: up to the crown. jenna: that's right. we will have the latest coming up ahead i'm a conservative investor. but that doesn't mean i don't want to make money.

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taking a look at some of the pictures after the storm hit, the electrical system is devastated. even the ferry dock was damaged. more than half of liberty island itself was underwater. incredibly, the statue itself suffered little if any damage. but there is one controversy that remains before liberty island can be reopened. this has to do with security. the national park service wants to screen visitors after they disembark from ferry street in new york city police department does not like that idea. they want to keep in place an older system. you can see there is a white tent and a location where passengers have been screened.

in your city police department wants to keep the system in place and says it is best to screen trust and passengers before they get on the ferry, not after. we expect there will be some kind of a compromise or resolution, possibly as soon as next week. meanwhile, in addition to the tourists who would like to see liberty island reopened, there are also merchant here in new york city who depend on this landmark for their income and over the last two years. the island generated $173 million in revenue. the second 2000 jobs, just about everyone. many would like to see liberty island reopened as soon as possible. again, the park service says no later than independence day.

jenna: good tips and interesting facts. thank you very much for that. jon: thank you, france. it is being called a tsunami of tax fraud. how crooks are costing you billions of dollars. yes, that is billions. and the murder trial the whole country has been watching. a key witness grilled over missteps in the case. the impact on jurors who could hand down the him the death penalty. our legal panel joins us next.

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julz: welcome back, everyone. "happening now" in the jodi arias hurt trial the defense expert whose credibility is under fire is due back on the stand. psychologist richard samuels is sticking to his diagnosis that arias suffered from amnesia and post-traumatic stress disorder. prosecutor juan martinez spent two days tearing into his findings. family and friends ever victim travis alexander are speaking out including chris hughes, lech lex leaks's best friend. he is blasting arias about lies about what she is saying about alexander's character. jody is on trial. she did everything to put him on trial. i watched him murder and murder him over and over again. she is trying to get something to stick with the jury. adam housley is following the twist and turns of all of this, is he live from los angeles. adam? >> reporter: jenna, you

mentioned dr. samuels and back and forth between him and prosecutor. for viewers at home if you haven't watched the case she is two final defense witnesses are what they're trying to do to rebuild jodi arias ace is case. she was on the stand for 18 days. got urn torn apart by the prosecutor the even the jury in arizona who are allowed to ask questions were very skeptical of her questions when they did. dr. samuels is the first. there was a real gotcha moment, a perry mason moment if you will, yesterday in the courtroom when this doctor admitted he was lied to on the ptsd stress test which he claims why jodi arias's memory is gone. he was lied to but still came to the conclusion. prosecutor caught that, said, wait a second. that is speculation. take a listen. >> you don't know that, do you? >> no, i don't. i'm speculating. >> right. made it up right now, speculating. >> no, clinical judgment, sir. >> overruled. >> clinical judgement. >> you just used the word

speculating, didn't you? >> okay. i used the word. >> sure. speculating means it could be made up, right? >> yes. that is one possibility. could be made up. >> all right, thank you. >> reporter: a big gotcha moment right there as you can see, jenna. that of course will continue today if he is back on the stand. the defense had a chance to redirect or somehow rebuild his credibility. when he is done the jury will have a chance to ask questions of him as well. both attorneys will have chance to cross-exam inor redirect if necessary. it really comes down to this witness from most court observers have not done well because of gotcha moments yesterday where he admits she lied to him. it is all about jodi arias proving to the jury, she lied all these other times but now she is telling the truth about travis alexander, that he basically assaulted her. it is interesting to see what will finalize this today and the final witness will come forward to talk about spousal abuse or abuse to women.

we'll see how this all plays out. jenna, as you can see, the back and forth even when jodi is not on the stand. pretty interesting gotcha moments. that is for jenna: for sure. adam, thank you. jon: let's bring in our panel. i want to start out with more of the court action from yesterday. this is when the prosecutor, juan martinez was questioning that same dr. samuels who you saw on the stand and the camera happened to catch a reaction shot of jodi. play this. >> i thought we were talking about being assertive. do you have a problem with remembering -- >> no, i don't have anymore problem than you do, sir. >> sustained. >> sir, i asked you about her being assertive. do you remember me asking you? >> yes. >> asking her about her being assertive in 2009 and 2010 when you met her, right? >> yes. >> you have my questions you had no concern about it at this point, right? yes. >> when i pose this to you,

exhibit 510 all of sudden you are saying you don't understand. >> i didn't say i didn't understand. jon: a significant eye roll. a little hard to catch. that's why we spot shadowed jodi there. faith what about that? she is in full sight of the jury. is she intending to be seen as, you know, rolling her eyes in exasperation? >> no. listen this witness is supposed to be helping her case. she is supposed to help advance her theory and he is falling apart before the jury and everyone else's eyes on the witness stand. so almost like she rolled her eyes it say, listen, you're not helping me. this is an expert. he has been testifying for almost 30 years. and here he is on the witness stand making what i think is a rookie mistake. his entire analysis comes out, during his testimony is based on lies that she told him. jon: what about it? has he done her side any favors? >> i think he has. i actually disagree with faith. i think that jodi was

actually rolling her eyes not at her witness, the psychologist, samuels. i think she was rolling her eyes at juan martinez continuing questioning about memory problems. he questioned her in the same aggressive way about her memory lapses. he is questioning the psychologist in this same way. i do think though that the psychologist has helped her case to some extent. he is talking about jodi arias's feelings and anxiety and not her ability to tell the truth or whether she was telling the truth during his first analysis. jon: carrie, as a defense attorney, if you were her attorney would you tell her to keep a blank face at the defense table? >> sure. and i'm sure they have. i'm sure they're saying, tone it down. keep a neutral face. but your clients don't always listen to you. that's the problem with being an attorney. you can tell your client, you can advise them, lead them to the water, but you can't get them to drink. jon: this jury has been

hearing this case now, i mean, it heard from her for something like 18 days of her own testimony. nobody knows yet when rebuttal, i'm sorry, when closing arguments are going to take place. faith, they have got to be getting tired of this by now, aren't they? >> i'm sure they probably are. listen, i don't think the two expert witness and other witness they're bringing will really make a difference in the jury's mind. they want to hear from jodi arias and now they have. so in their minds, they're obligated to sit and listen to all the evidence and not make a decision until the conclusion of the case but they have to be thinking at this point, they have heard her testimony now. what is it that they else they need to hear? i think they're coming to a point where they want to see this trial end as well. jon: when they finally get there, my en, do we expect this kind of a case ends up in a quick verdict? or do they have to go back over all of the evidence that, you know, that has been presented to them over these many, many weeks? >> i mean this is a death

penalty case. so obviously any questions that they have they're going to take their time to go through the evidence. for my this isn't a close call. this a conviction. i think it should should happen sooner rather than later. jon: faith general kinls from the prosecution perspective and carrie jenkins from the defense side. the lifetime network put out a casting call for the movie to be made by about the jodi arias case. jenna: a little acting in your past? throw in your hat? jon: i would not want to be involved in this. they're looking for a woman, head turning, with a palpable sexy allure and well aware of the effect she has on men. that is the actress who will play jodi arias. jenna: we'll ask the crew during commercial break to see if they know anyone that fits that description. yikes!. could be someone's big moment. we'll see. two miami police officers now find themselves on the other side of the law, not the right side. the latest suspects what is becoming a tax and identity

fraud to hit the state of florida. phil keating is live in miami with more on this phil? >> reporter: this fraud is so easy to do and almost as easy to get away with it especially with the irs pays out these wrongful tax refunds to these prepaid debit cards which are sold to anybody, pretty much at every drugstore, all making this keep of crime very hard to trace. the two miami cops just the latest accused of stealing names and social security numbers from a government or health care database. all this to funnel large amounts money from taxpayers. $5 billion was stolen this way last year. it is the number one fraud in florida. number three in the nation. >> florida has been known unfortunately as the fraud capital of the united states. we have been number one in medicare fraud, mortgage fraud, we're number two in securities and investment fraud. and now, stolen identification tax refund fraud is the next thing. >> reporter: another badge of dishonor for the sunshine state. these right here are the top

five states where this is happening. florida actually has nine of the top 10 metro areas. more than a million americans will be victimized this year. delaying their tax refunds for several months. the south florida business journal, e filed his return only to discover somebody already cashed in his on his name. >> it's a feeling loss of control. that it is not supposed to happen when you file taxes electronically, you know to get a message saying somebody's already filed your tax return is, kind of disturbing and you know the biggest question for me, like i said, what else have they done? >> reporter: a task force has been established and the u.s. treasury department is now trying to amend its program for e-filing so that the w-2 form which is real from your employer, is automatically married up with the filing to make sure it is an accurate filing. the irs says the best way to prevent yourself from being victimized, file the taxes early, long before the

criminals can under your name. jenna? jenna: good tip. phil, thank you. jon: when fox news was embedded with a marine unit in iraq back in 2003 former sergeant michael timmons was the guy we spent the most time with in the back of the vehicle. we're visiting the marine and the new battle that he faces next. plus an unwanted guest during a mayor's key speech. the story about this interruption, coming up. this is so sick! >> [bleep]er. car out you're crazy. go faster! go faster! go faster! go faster! no! stop...stop... go(mom) i rais my son to bester! careful... hi, sweetie. hi, mom. (mom) but just to be safe... i got a subaru. (announcer) love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru.

jon: an uninvited speaker interrupts the kansas city mayor's speech and angry protestor charges the stage, grabs the microphone. look what happens. >> got through talking about exactly what [bleep]. [bleep]. [bleep].

[bleep]. [bleep]. [shouting] >> well, that was unfortunate. jon: that was mayor sly james. we have talked to him on this program in the past. his bodyguard tackled the protestor who was later arrested and apologized for the disruption saying he was simply frustrated with the state of the city. the mayor being praised for keeping calm and steady throughout all of that. jenna: he certainly did. jon: he did. jenna: as we mark 10 years since the start of the war in iraq today we're taking a look back at the time spent embedded with members of the military especially during the early days of the war. marine sergeant michael timmons was one of the servicemembers fox news spent the most time with. our rick leventhal was there observing as he fulfilled various missions. today sergeant simmons is still serving his country but in a whole different capacity. rick has his story in a

latest of series of installments you met, rick, over the last several years and we're talking about him today. >> right, jenna, most of the time with the marines in early days of the war were spent in the back of an armored vehicle rolling through the desert. sergeant michael timmons was the guy we saw the most of. >> i have conquered the world. >> reporter: iraqi guard post leveled by his fellow marines. good natured good from texas who slept on the floor so we could have bench seats. taught us the art of mre's, when he wasn't kicking in doors armed with an m-16. timmons left the marine corps after the war. bounced around the pacific northwest. eventually settled in texas where he works as a corrections officer. he wasn't making any special plans to mark the 10-year anniversary of the invasion. do you look back? do you think about iraq? >> not, not so much anymore. i kind of look at it just as, you know, just art past my past. i try not to dwell on it or

think about anything. i just live my life as if it never even really happened. >> reporter: timmons who is married to his second wife says he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder but is learning to handle it. he still serves in the army national guard and i choked up why he has been in the military since high school? >> i joined because, i felt a lot of pride in my country, and, i felt that by joining i could, you know, i could give back, you know, to, to the country that has provided me so much. you know, the freedoms that i have and everything else. >> reporter: you still feel that pride? >> yeah. it's, this is something that is not going to go away. >> reporter: timmons grew his beard because of an overseas assignment with the national guard unit. he had to get special permission with the department of corrections

because they don't allow beards. he makes a point that he promises to shave the beard after he gets home from this trip. jenna: a lot let of honor and integrity. that point needs to be made. we're to hear his story. rick, thank you. >> reporter: thank you. jon: a lot of love for his country as well, huh? two hours before president obama and prime minister netanyahu speak to the world from jerusalem. president obama making his first trip to israel as commander-in-chief. we will bring you those remarks live. plus, a top nasa official testifying about the ability of the united states to detect asteroids like this one that caused so much destruction over russia. a thousand people hurt there. our guy's advice? pray. that story next. ♪ roundup ♪ i want a weed freseason, that's how i roll ♪ ♪ so i reach for roundup extended control ♪ ♪ driveway, patio, i just spray once ♪ ♪ and it's adios weeds for up to four sweet months ♪ [ whip cracks ] ♪ roundup extended control

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>> what would we do? if you dedected, even a small one like the one that detonated in russia headed for new york city in three weeks? what would which do? >> it is coming in three weeks, pray. jenna: there you go. that is the advice from a top nasa official spiking at a congressional hearing on our ability to detect meteors. the nasa officials warn the u.s. and the rest of the world simply do not have the ability to demany small meet tears, one in small quotations like the one that injured a thousand people in russia. or the one that now close to san francisco. nasa says it needs money to detect small asteroids that are flying around in space before they hit us and this is why. >> there are some objects we know that are coming years in advance.

there are other objects still big enough to cause damage, that we only know about weeks in advance or days in advance. obviously we need to improve the capability to give us a large amount of notice, enough notice to mount a deflection mission, if we see one on a collision course. jenna: chief astronomer derek pitts is with us. so, derek, how vulnerable are we? >> well the real, the reality of it, jenna, is that while there are some large objects out there, we know pretty well where the big ones are. it is the smaller ones that we really have to be concerned about but the truth is that your chances of being killed by a meteor striking you are about the sail of dying in an airplane crash. that means not very high at all. jenna: i'm afraid to fly. so, that comparison doesn't sit well with me, but go ahead, derek. >> you need a titanium

umbrella, jenna. jenna: right. >> the problem is we have to really pay attention to the smaller ones. the smaller ones could damage an urban area. we don't want that to happen under any circumstances. we have to think in terms how we protect ourselves against dangerous storms. we use weather satellites to help predict when those will come so we move people out of the way or the path of these storms. we need to develop the same kind of technology or similar technology to detect when these small asteroids may be on collision course with us. jenna: how small is small? when you say a small asteroid, how small is that? >> something 300 meters in size size could do damage in a urban area. it is not so much the size but the velocity it comes to the earth. those two things together create a lot of force so that's why we could have a lot of damage. there are a lot of asteroids that are on the small size. those are the ones we have to pay closest attention to

and be able to detect them early enough to do something about them if we find them on the way here. jenna: derek, what expectations should we have when it comes to money and talent that's out there? do we have a quote, enquote bulletproof system that is available? or is this part of the fact of life that sometimes something like this happens? >> well, we actually have a number of agencies around the world that are scanning the skies to try to identify and catalog these objections but we need to do much more. we do have the talent, there is no question about that. congress has to give forth the funding and make it last long enough that we can build a system that will allow us to see these and do something about it before they get here. jenna: and maybe add in a few titanium umbrellases just for good measure for the rest of us. >> i would go for that. good idea. jenna: derek, always nice to have you on the program. thank you for the time. >> thank you, jenna. jenna: great to have his expertise. we'll be back with girl vo: i'm pretty conservative.

very logical thinker. (laughs)